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Jaime Paul Lamb's avatar

Just want to politely push back on a couple things.

You said:

"With this God can only be approached through the Church and its officers, and “Union With God,” becoming like a God, the practice of the Philosopher Sage, Theurgist (Jivanmukti of Vedanta, or Bodhisattva of Buddhism) is replaced with the Myth of Christ, the Son of God. The Gnostic vision of the Fall into an Evil Nature, and the forgiveness of Sins through Faith alone in Jesus Christ removes the agency of the practitioner to Self Transformation through direct action. God is separate from Mankind and Nature."

RE: Union with God. There is a process called Theosis in Eastern Orthodoxy. It is pretty much the same thing as Platonic Henosis. It is in fact the very goal of Orthodox Christianity. It is accomplished through dying to the world (not in the dualistic, anti-cosmic sense, but in the sense of dying to the passions, which are the particular names for "the World") - which is what Socrates tells Simmias and Cebes in the Phaedo, “I am afraid that other people do not realize that the one aim of those who practice philosophy in the proper manner is to practice for death and dying.” [Plato. Phaedo. Translated by G.M.A. Grube. In Plato: Complete Works, edited by John M. Cooper and D. S. Hutchinson, p. 55. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1997.] This idea, that the primary aim of true philosophy is a practice for death (meleté thanatou), is what Eastern Orthodoxy is.

Watch this Q&D:

https://youtu.be/E2x2WTWjcEA?si=ciqmrQP1Gea63nsr

Or read this:

https://www.holycross.org/products/theosis-the-true-purpose-of-human-life#:~:text=This%20book%2C%20written%20by%20a,that%20man%20could%20become%20god.%E2%80%9D

RE: God being fully transcendent and out of touch with mankind and nature. This is called the Ousia kai Energeia argument. Essences and acticities. We can never know God's essence, but we know him through his activities in nature. Think of these maybe as sunthematic actions - not material sumbola. Granted, they do not have this, or the notion of Theosis in the Western (Catholic) church.

See: the work of the Pseudo-Dionysius, Gregory Palamas, or any of the Cappadocian Fathers.

Or this - Q&D:

https://youtu.be/EUWRgotmeF4?si=HnkmJL_q2fK_u1kV

I think a lot of people would say that the single most concentrated existing current of (late-) Platonism is in the Eastern Orthodox church. And I think some of them would be able to defend that argument.

I hope you don't take my critique as an attack. You sound like you're intelligent, but your anti-Christian position (the "Myth" of Christ, etc.) is obvious. And I wouldn't want anyone to read what you wrote and think that it's actually the case.

Also, why no mention of Greg Shaw in the body of the work? The whole Hellenic Tantra kind of his thesis, no?

Jean-Louis Pierson's avatar

You outdid yourself there.

Many Thanks

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